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Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/14 07:23
Last night, while enjoying a half a chicken and a bowl of rice, I was wondering whether the rice caused more CDs than the chicken. The chicken ate grain for about six weeks, but it wasn`t grain grown in fields that were flooded and drained like rice fields. Then there`s the fact that the chicken had what was probably a decent life imo, so that adds a plus to eating the chicken. It didn`t have a broken leg or any bruises, so there`s no reason to believe the bird suffered except maybe from the throat cut during the final few moments of its life. Of course if it was grass raised beef it`s safe enough to believe the rice would involve more CDs than the beef. And even regular beef might involve fewer CDs than rice since most beef cattle are grass raised for the majority of their lives, and only contribute to the CDs of grain production during the final days of their lives. And again the cattle get life out of the deal, and much longer life than do fryers. Two years of life is a *lot* longer than nothing. The biggest difference between meat eating and veg*nism in regards to animals raised for food, is their lives.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/14 13:31
could come from a variety of sources, inlcuding ground up chicken feathers, fish meal, animal fat...who knows....
It is possible to raise chickens on pure vegetable matter, but they don`t do so well that way. Chickens are omnivores, not herbivores.
Then there`s the fact that the decent life is up to you. Me, personally...I think chickens are really too dumb to care.
It didn`t have a broken grass until they are weaned at six to eight months of age. After that, they get grain and lots of it. They eat grain for twice the time and in much larger quanities as they are bigger at the end. I live in the midwest, where grain is abundant and cheap. What works here, might not work other places, so maybe they eat more grass. Of course, once they go in the feedlot, it`s all about grain and they should be in a feedlot by 800 pounds, heading for 1200.
I think it is a safe bet that the VAST majority of cattle raised for beef eat a lot more grain than grass during their lives. Learn how to figure a feed ration and figure it out. That can easily be done and compared, pound for pound and also using various scenarios of when they are put on grain.
Old rule of thumb...takes 100 bushels of corn to finish a calf. Around here, we get about 140 bushels of corn to acre.
Also, cows are pretty destructive as far as a "natural" grassland goes. They don`t leave alot for habitat for birds and small animals. If no one is managing the pasture, they can also reduce it to nothing but weeds in a few years or less. Pasture management includes re-seeding, harrowing, mowing and other pretty destructive things like that.
And again the cattle get life out of the deal, and dumb. They don`t have the mental ability to understand that something is up. Cows do. They may not understand what is going to happen, but they know something is and that it`s not going to be good.
Also, two years is an outside estimate for a beef animal`s life. I shoot for 18 months, the big feedlots for shorter than that. They have better feed conversion than I do because they are willing to feed them just about anything and also have nutritionists who get those rations down to precise details.
The biggest difference way. Animals that would not have existed might exists for meat animals, but how many other animals are in the trade? Is one cow worth a single other life...or is it not equal? Is one cow`s life worth one rabbit`s life? Or does it take 10 rabbits to equal a cow?
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/14 20:03
Do you mean it`s a plus compared to a chicken that lived a shitty life? No one would disagree.
Do you mean it`s a "plus" compared to the *same* chicken never "getting to experience life"? That is not a plus. It`s a nothing. Everyone with a brain knows it`s a nothing. and you clearly are stupid enough to do so, then you lose on the grain-eating head of beef. They eat *huge* amounts of grain, and the production of the grain causes a lot of CD. There is no question that a grain-fed head of beef cattle causes more CD than the rice. the cattle "get life out of the deal". It isn`t a bad thing, either. It`s just a trivial fact; a factlette.
You are not entitled to feel good about the cattle or the chickens "getting to experience life". It has no moral meaning.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/14 21:50
He`s just trying, futilely, to advance his fuckwitted "animals` getting to experience life" argument. It`s DOA.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/14 23:30
need to abuse animals for food or sport, so why do it.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/15 15:56
yours up so they can`t eat any bugs? Mine go after bugs like gangbusters. They just can`t get enough of them.
Are bugs considered animal protein? I eat them too, but that doesn`t make me a wacko. I`m certainly not going to make claims about raising them that aren`t true. Anyone who thinks cattle are enviromentally friendly needs to come take a walk around my pasture, then go walk around undisturbed grassland. Huge difference. another...something dies so we can eat.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/16 01:20
http://www.miketheheadlesschicken.org/story.htm
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/16 11:07
do not need to die for us to survive, that is the simple fact.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/16 19:17
as killing you for money to buy food, would be abusing you. If it aint necessary don`t do it.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/17 01:49
We don`t have to eat vegetables either, look how the Inuit used to survive. If we eat raw fresh meat, we get our bulk and vit C through meat.
Humans like chickens wild counterparts evolved as omnivores, are you suggesting you don`t believe in Darwin`s central concept, that all life is related?
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/17 09:43
not abuse. Doing the same to animals is called, "getting dinner".
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/17 10:36
need to, many of us manage to live perfectly well without abusing animals. humans do not need to eat meat. Dress it up all you like, the result is the same.
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Re:Chicken or rice, which causes more CDs? - 2003/02/17 13:46
valid here. fact is you don`t need to kill any animal to survive.
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