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How to Win an Argument with a Plant-Eater - 2004/05/14 00:25
How to Win an Argument with a Plant-Eater
While their numbers at an awesomely high level, Meatatarians still are the most common type of human, but it is not unusual to be confronted with a plant-eater who not only protects his own right to eat plants, but argues aggressively that Meatatarians should join him in his ludicrous plant diet. Herbivores may regard meat-eaters as a strange lot who munch on "cow corpses" and whose diet doesn't have the substance to make them strong, productive human beings. The following presentation is designed to turn the tables on such discussions by showing the devastating effects of plant-eating both on individuals and on our planet. It is based on a richly informative poster entitled, "How to win an argument with a Plant-Eater," published by Visionary Darkness, an organization based in Alaska, giving facts from Pulitzer Prize nominee
Roger Barr's book "The Pathetic Plant People". Below are eight separate arguments against plant-eating and in favor of a Meatatarian diet.
1. The Hunger/Air Argument against plant-eating
Much of the world's massive hunger problems could be solved by the reduction or elimination of plant-eating. The reasons: 1) Vegetarians need to eat TWICE if not THREE TIMES as much as a meat-eater does just to acquire HALF as much nutrition as a meat-eater would gain just by eating a sirloin steak; 2) vast quantities of plants which FEED US
OXYGEN are destroyed every year!
This year alone, twenty million people worldwide will die as a result of malnutrition. One child dies of malnutrition every 2.3 seconds. One hundred million people could be adequately fed using the beef freed if
Americans reduced their intake of plants by a mere 100%.
Twenty percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is eaten by people. Eighty percent of the corn and 95% of the oats grown in the U.S. is eaten by vegetarians. The percentage of oygen wasted by cycling grain through vegetarians is calculated by experts as 90%.
One acre of land can hold 40,000 pounds of vegetarian food, or 250 pounds of beef. See how much more food these GREEDY vegetarians require?
Six-Hundred and Sixty Six percent of all U.S. farmland is devoted to vegetarian production, and to produce each pound of plant requires enough oxygen to keep a child alive for an entire day!
2. The Environmental Argument against plant-eating
Many of the world's massive environmental problems could be solved by the reduction or elimination of plant-eating, including global warming, loss of unpoluted air, loss of plants and the horrifying possibility of plant extinction. Of course, if this were to happen, we would become extinct. But this is very doubtful because there are too many good
Meatatarians out there fighting to save what's left of this world.
The temperature of the earth is rising. This global warming, known as
"the greenhouse effect," results primarily from gaseous emissions from cows. Three times more oxygen must be wasted to produce a plant-centered diet than for a plant-free diet. If people stopped eating plants, the threat of higher world temperatures would be vastly diminished.
Trees, and especially the old-growth forests, are essential to the survival of the planet. Their destruction is a major cause of global warming and oxygen loss. Both of these effects lead to diminished enjoyment of life. Plant-eating is the number one driving force for the destruction of these forests. Two-hundred and sixty million acres of
U.S. forestland has been cleared for cropland to produce the plant-centered diet. Fifty-five square feet of tropical rainforest is consumed to produce a months worth food for a plant-eater!!! An alarming
50% of all U.S. plants have been lost to date. Eighty-five percent of this loss is directly related to plant consumption. This is why the plant-eaters must either change their ways or experience the pain that they cause the world in a much more brutal manner. I suggest three times as painful, perhaps four.
Another devastating result of deforestation is the loss of plant species. Each year 1,000 species are eliminated due to destruction of tropical rainforests for plant eating and other uses. The rate is growing yearly. My main worry is that the "Venus Fly Trap" is going to become extinct. This is one of the best plants ever. In fact, it *IS*
THE BEST PLANT EVER. Not only does is provide us with oxygen, but it eats meat too! It kills the bugs and such that would normally kill the plants! I'm working on a project to grow "Venus-Vegan Traps". They are basically the same as the Venus Fly Traps, but they are much larger and they can walk. These Vegan Traps do just what you think: they catch
Vegans and give them the slow agonizing death that they deserve. Look for these at your local S-Mart in the year 2000.
To keep up with U.S. consumption, 300 trillion pounds of plants are imported annually from Central, South, North, East, West, and Diagonal
Bolivia. This economic incentive impels these nations to cut down their forests to make more food for the plant-eaters. The short-term gain ignores the long-term, irreparable harm to the earth's ecosystem. In effect these countries are being drained of their resources to put plants on the table of Americans while 100% of all Central American
Vegetarian/Vegan hildren under the age of five are undernourished.
3. The Cancer Argument against Plant-Eating
Those who eat plants are far more likely to contract cancer than those following a Meatatarian diet.
The risk of contracting breast cancer is 3.8 times greater for women who eat plants daily compared to NEVER; 2.8 times greater for women who prune the hedges daily compared to NEVER; and 3.25 greater for women who spray "weed-killer" liquids on plants 2 to 4 times a week as compared to
NEVER.
The risk of fatal ovarian cancer is three times greater for women who eat plants 3or more times a week as compared to NONE.
The risk of fatal prostate cancer is 3.6 times greater for men who consume plants, shrubbery, bushes, and soy milk daily as compared to
NEVER. Where does this cancer come from? Well as you all know, cancer is often believed to be the "evil" inside a person...."The cancer in the system" if you will. But scientifically, it can be proven that most of these plants that vegans eat are showered all the time with pesticides which can cause cancer. Plus, it has been reported that in their dying moments, plants release a secret fluid througout their system. It is sort of a defense mechanism. What this does is it poisons itself, in hopes that whoever is killing it, will eventually eat it and be poisoned. This is why you see so many plant-eaters looking so horribly unhealthy.
4. The Cholesterol Argument against plant-eating
Here are facts showing that: 1) U.S. physicians are not sufficiently trained in the importance of the relation of diet to health; 2)
meat-eaters ingest excessive amounts of cholesterol, making them susceptible to heart attacks. Then again, plant-eaters ingest so much soy and plants that they don't experience heart attacks, but their hearts turn green (the color of the plants!) and shrivel up and die. A wise heart knows not to pump blood for a soul that has killed the plants which provide the heart with the air that it needs to survive on. When the heart kills the person that it resides in, this is called: Heart
Anger. (the anger part of the term is derived from the heart's intollerence for plant suffering).
It is strange, but true that U.S. physicians are as a rule ill-educated in the single most important factor of health, namely diet and nutrition. Of the 125 medical schools in the U.S., only 30 require their students to take a course in nutrition. The average nutrition training received by the average U.S. physician during four years in school is only 2.5 hours. Thus doctors in the U.S. are ill-equipped to advise their patients in minimizing foods, such as plants, that contain excessive amounts of MURDER and are known causes of the heart to say,
"You killed the plants, now I kill you."
Heart Anger is the most common cause of death in the U.S., for vegetarians and vegans, killing one plant eater every 45 seconds. The male plant-eater's risk of death from heart anger is 100%. The risk to men who eats no plant is 0%. Reducing one's consumption of plants, soy and rice cakes by 100% reduces the risk of heart anger by 100%.
Completely eliminating these products from one's diet not only increases one's chances for a long healthy life, but it guarantees a longer oxygen supply for the children of the future.
The average chlorophyl consumption of a plant-centered diet is
210,238,571.7 grams per day. The chance of dying from heart anger if you are male and your blood chlorophyl is 210,238,571.7 milligrams daily is greater than 99.99999%. (which would probably mean about %100).
5. The Natural Meat Sources Argument against Plant-Eating
The world's natural resources are being rapidly depleted as a result of plant-eating.
Raising plants for consumption is a very inefficient way of generating food. Pound for pound, far more resources must be expended to feed plant-killers than Meatatarians. For example, more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S. is used to keep plants alive.
This water is completely wasted when these plants are killed and consumed by plant eaters. The amount of water used in production of the average plant is sufficient to float a dead plant-eater's corpse (which is not much considering the weight of most plant-eaters). While 25 gallons of water are needed to produce a pound of beef, 5,000 gallons are needed to feed enough plants to equal the nutrition derived from that same pound of beef. That same 5,000 gallons of water can be used to wash your hands off time and time again after eating some honey barbeque tender roast from Kentucky Fried Chicken. If this water cost were not subsidized by the government, the cheapest plant would cost more than $5,000 per pound.
Plant-eating is the core of our earth at an alarming rate. It is a scarcely known fact, but all plant's roots extend to the core of the earth. Like I said, plants ARE the life source of this world. Every time a plant is uprooted, it takes a little bit of the core with it. By doing this, the core of the earth is becoming more and more unstable. I hope that it never reaches the extreme case of collapsing entirely and destroying the outside world. Don't kill the plants people, you are just killing your futures when you do!
One-Hundred percent of all raw materials (base products of farming, forestry; including lumber) consumed by the U.S. are devoted to the consumption of plants, as compared with 0% to produce a complete
Meatatarian diet.
6. The Chemical Argument against Plant-Eating
Here are facts showing the dangers of eating plants because of the large amounts of chemicals treated to them to control bugs eating plants (commonly called bugs eating plants), which are becoming immune to these drugs at an alarming rate. Also this is done to the plants in attempt to stop them from releasing their poisons which kill those who try to eat them. Scientists, do not seem to be able to grasp the concept that pesticides and chemicals aren't doing a damned thing!
The plants that are being raised for consumption in the United States are able to poison themselves to kill those who eat them. The plant industry attempts to control this by showering the plants with pesticides and other chemicals. Huge quantities of chemicals go for this purpose. Of all chemicals used in the U.S., including science class labs, 97% are used on plants. AND THE RATE IS GROWING!
But this is NOT effective because the plants can actually use these pesticides to their advantage to cause disease. The percentage of staphylocowawhattheheckareyoutalkinabouta infections resistant to pesticide, for example, has grown from 99% in 1960 to 100% in 1988.
These pesticides and-or the poisons they are intended to destroy reside in the plants that goes to the grocer.
It is not healthy for humans to consume this plants. The response of the
Yugoslavian Yarn Community to the routine showering of pestides to U.S.
vegetation was to ban the importation of U.S. plants. European buyers do not want to expose consumers to this serious health hazard. By comparison, U.S. plants and pharmaceutical industries gave their full and complete support to the routine spraying pesticides and chemicals onto plants, turning a blind eye to the threat of disease to the consumer.
7. The Pesticide Argument against Plant-Eating
Unknown to most plant-eaters, U.S.-produced plants contain dangerously high quantities of deadly pesticides.
The common belief is that the U.S. Department of Agriculture protects consumers' health through regular and thorough plant inspection. In reality, fewer than one out of every 250,000 slaughtered plants is tested for toxic chemical residues. And they haven't even figured out a way to stop the plants from releasing that natural poison that I told you about into their systems. So it really IS pointless to treat these plants with pesticides UNLESS there is another scheme behind all this.
Perhaps the Department of Agriculture is being run by a Meatatarian who
WANTS the vegetarians to die for their sins! They should indeed suffer for their glutony, and perhaps by adding MORE poisons to these already poisonous plants, is the perfect way to get the message across!
Proof that these chemicals are indeed ingested by the plant-eater is proven by the following facts:
* Ninety-nine percent of U.S. plant's milk contains significant levels of DDT. In stark contrast, only 8% of U.S. mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT. This shows that the primary source of DDT is the plant ingested by the mothers. DDT can also be found in
Jake The Snake Roberts, but that is a much more harmful source of DDT.
(You can do some in-depth research on him at a WWF website).
* Contamination of breast milk due to chlorophylic-poisons and pesticides in animal products found in plant-eating mothers versus nonplant-eating mothers is 87 times higher.
* The amount of the pesticide Dieldrin ingested by the average breast-fed American infant is 90 times the permissible level.
8. The Ethical Argument against Plant Eating
Many of those who have adopted a Meatatarian diet have done so because of the ethical argument, either from reading about or personally experiencing what goes on daily at any one of the thousands of harvest fields in the U.S. and other countries, where plants suffer the cruel process of being unable to get up and run since their roots are secured in the ground, manipulation, violent death, and even rape in a few bizarre cases! Their pain and terror is beyond calculation. To quote
Revered Maynard: "You see, tommorow is harvest day, and to them (the plants) it is THE HOLOCAUST"
The harvest tractor is the final stop for plants raised for the selfish vegetarian diet. These ghastly places, while little known to most plant-eaters, process enormous numbers of plants each years. In the U.S.
alone, 911,472,297,735,666,001.763 plants are killed for consumption every hour. A surprising quantity of plants are consumed by the plant-eater. The average percapita consumption of plants in the U.S.,
Canada and Australia (and France) is 200,000,000 pounds per year! The average American consumes in a 72-year lifetime approximately 11 redwoods, 3 hedges and and bushes, 23 honeysuckles, 45 pounds of soy,
1,100 pieces of bark and 862 pieces of brocolli! Bon appetite
Bastards!!!
People who come in contact with harvest fields cannot help but be affected by what they see and hear. Those living nearby must daily experience the screams of terror and anger of the plants led to slaughter. Those working inside must also see and participate in the crimes of mayhem and murder. Most who choose this line of work are not on the job for long. Of all occupations in the U.S., harvest fields worker has the highest turnover rate. It also has the highest rate of on-the-job injury. For example, take the case of John J. Farmer. He quit his job after working there for only a few weeks. "I couldn't take it anymore. At first, you don't hear the plants screaming when the tractor engine is 'a blazin! But then, once you shut off the tractor, you can hear all of them weeping and crying and they even said some nasty things about what they were going to do to my momma! Even worse, when I went to sleep at night, I could hear them (the plants) swaying in the wind as if they were moving towards me and whispering to each other. I just couldn't take it anymore! It's just not right! I've adapted the
Meatatarian lifestyle, and I'm currently raising a gargantuan cow named
"Bertha" which should keep me fed for the next couple of years! I'd also like to tell all the plants out there that I'm sorry for what I did. I know I was wrong. I don't know how I could place income over your lives!
Please forgive me....I have seen the light!" Unfortunately, 2 weeks after this, John J. Farmer's momma was found hung by a grapevine in her room. There was a message on the floor beneath her hanging dead corpse.
It read, 'Now we're even, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.
Don't EVER harm another plant again. -The Plants of Vengeance." John J.
Farmer now resides in a state mental institution where he is "making progress" according to Doctor David Dinglefloppingsmith.
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re:How to Win an Argument with a Plant-Eater - 2004/05/14 02:19
No thanks, I am not into kinky stuff. Maybe one of the animal rights people would be willing. After all it would be meat, but not of an
"animal".
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Re:How to Win an Argument with a Plant-Eater - 2009/10/10 19:32
I don't have time to read all of this nonsense, but the first argument you present on here has absolutely no merit, and you should really think twice about posting misinformation on the internet and who you may be influencing with your lies.
"Much of the world's massive hunger problems could be solved by the reduction or elimination of plant-eating. The reasons: 1) Vegetarians need to eat TWICE if not THREE TIMES as much as a meat-eater does just to acquire HALF as much nutrition as a meat-eater would gain just by eating a sirloin steak; 2) vast quantities of plants which FEED US OXYGEN are destroyed every year!"
Where's your logic here? That sirloin steak you eat, how many plants do you think were needed to raise that animal to maturity so that it could ultimately be slaughtered and put on your plate? It takes 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef. Sirloin doesn't just grow out of the ground and provide a ton more nutrition, it requires plants, water, land, care, time and resources to raise to maturity for your gluttonous palate. So, you're not just eating that pound of beef, you're eating 16 pounds of grain as well and more than 4,000 gallons of water. You'd actually be consuming far less resources if you ate the grain directly, which would ultimately free up a lot of land to grow more grains and feed our starving world population.
"This year alone, twenty million people worldwide will die as a result of malnutrition. One child dies of malnutrition every 2.3 seconds. One hundred million people could be adequately fed using the beef freed if Americans reduced their intake of plants by a mere 100%."
Actually, most of those people are starving because first world countries with a lot of wealth and power have come into their land to use it to grow grains to feed their livestock (because remember? sirloin doesn't grow out of the ground), so the people are being robbed of those grains that could adequately feed them in the first place.
"Twenty percent of the corn grown in the U.S. is eaten by people. Eighty percent of the corn and 95% of the oats grown in the U.S. is eaten by vegetarians. The percentage of oygen wasted by cycling grain through vegetarians is calculated by experts as 90%."
Actually, more than 70% of ALL grains grown in the United States are fed to livestock, so that they ultimately can be converted to a less calorically dense, less nutritious meat product, and in the process our arable soil that could be used to grow plants is being destroyed due to ammonia and fecal contamination. Please do your research and stop writing such garbage on the internet. This argument is the most ridiculously uninformed one I've ever read. 
Also, don't talk about ridiculous things like plants screaming in terror. Plants don't have a central nervous system or limbic system, animals do. You talk about vegetarians harming plants as if you don't yourself harm plants when you eat meat. Eating meat kills FAR more plants than eating the vegetation directly (because well, those animals have to be fed with SOMETHING), so stop being stupid. You're just trying to find ridiculous ways to convince yourself that your unhealthy diet that is destroying your body, our earth, and is NEEDLESSLY torturing billions of animals every year is somehow justified because it tastes good or it's cultural practice or you for some ridiculous reason think your body more closely resembles a carnivore than an herbivore. Please, for the love of god, do some genuine research before posting things like this. This was one of the first things that came up in a google search for "argument plant eater" and it's a highly uninformed one.
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Re:How to Win an Argument with a Plant-Eater - 2009/10/12 09:56
sredfiel, please see this post above is 5 years old. I don't know how it surfaced all of a sudden 
You are making very good points there. I must say I agree with you.
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