Matt H
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re:NASH 'in absentia' - 2005/10/01 13:01
To put the record straight on this. That quote of mine has been dishonestly taken entirely out of context. In fact, it only includes half a sentence which begins with an "if" condition which has been completely ommitted.
"By partially accepting Harrison's argument, I'm sticking my neck out as far as I can on this. *If animals can be farmed to old age in perfect bucolic settings with vetinary care*, I see no reason why we shouldn't continue to farm and eat them. It's the abattoir and frequent abuses of their right to freedoms that stops me agreeing with him fully." *my emphasis* Derek 03/11/03
My partial acceptance of Harrison's argument is well documented.
"Our World is much richer because we have animals to share it with. David has every reason to want more and more animals to experience life. I do. But get rid of the slaughter house if that's where they're destined." firstoftwins 2001-09-28
It doesn't go against my point of view or standard of veganism. Consider a farm where all the livestock are given every freedom, foodstuff and vetinary care needed to live in complete contentment without an abattoir sitting in the middle of it all. What possible ethical objection could there be from ARists or welfarists to shun such shelters?
There is no such principle. Veganism does allow the use of animals for our benefit as long as they aren't exploited or violated. There's no rule that I'm aware of which stops adherrents from scavenging off carcasses which have lived and died naturally.
There are at least two types of veganism.
[VEGANISM may be defined as a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
In dietary terms it refers to the practice of dispensing with all animal produce - including meat, fish, poultry, eggs, animal milks, honey, and their derivatives.
Abhorrence of the cruel practices inherent in dairy, livestock and poultry farming is probably the single most common reason for the adoption of veganism, but many people are drawn to it for health, ecological, spiritual and other reasons.] http://www.ivu.org/faq/definitions.html
My veganism is purely from an ethical point of view but allows me to scavenge meat from contented animals that have died from natural causes, while "Usual Suspect's" veganism, on the other hand, is from a dubious health point of view which doesn't allow him to eat any meat at all under any circumstances.
No. Using animals in that way is a gross violation of their rights against us not to be harmed for our benefit. If rabbits were used for research after dying from natural causes, then that would of course be different, but I doubt researchers will go for it.
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