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Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/05 08:23
The study, by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is based on a national sample of 5,448 adults. High blood pressure is a major cause of heart disease and stroke, which kill 710,000 and 170,000 Americans annually, respectively.
Edward Roccella, coordinator of the National Health, Lung and Blood
Institute's National Blood Pressure Education Program, notes that high blood pressure can be avoided or lowered by eating a more healthful diet and exercising. In fact, a 1997 study by Johns Hopkins University found dramatic decreases in blood pressure of men and women who ate lots of fruits and vegetables and consumed meat infrequently. The alarming results of the CDC study should further strengthen our resolve to replace meat and animal fat in our diet with vegetables, grains and fruits.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/05 18:53
You are a fool.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/05 21:12
No he's a fool. The logical conclusion of his thinking, is suicide for anyone that recognises and wants to reduce CD's. That may even include you ~~jonnie_the_woman_hater~~.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/05 21:39
Exactly. Addicts to unethical products always accept that role without even realising it.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/06 08:57
No, he isn't. What he writes makes eminently good sense.
You're the almost-"vegan" who can not defend any aspect of your proximity to "veganism". You can't rationally explain why you are close to "vegan", nor can you rationally explain why you aren't one outright.
You are a smarmy hypocrite; one of the worst ones here.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/06 11:54
I was talking statistical significance, not the significance of the study, in response to the sample size.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/06 17:55
You can see all that from "I want to be healthy, potential longevity is a pleasant side effect." and "I'm not trying to extend my life"?
How did you deduce that I'm hedonistic, a hypocrite, striving to live longer, I believe that my life is so valuable, I want to spread the word and
I've got a God complex?
I think you're either slightly mad or have a chip on your shoulder, perhaps even both, definitely one.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 00:08
Normally speaking, yes, but I'll grant that not all vegans hold the belief that an animal has or deserves basic rights.
No. That person would be a leather-wearing, non-vegan hypocrite.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 09:48
The claim that vegetarianism and support for animal rights is a religion is unsupported and undeniably false.
You, like most others merely state that it is without providing any evidence or quotes to support your nonsense claim. Nevertheless, if vegetarianism and a support for animal rights were a religion, why are you so willing to publicly show your ignorance and intolerance to the basic "human right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
What other religions are you intolerant to, Jackie?
Then show me an example of it, and we'll take each line at a time. Otherwise, you're merely expressing another flaw in your character as well as your intolerance to other's religion; paranoia. Like most meatarians of your ilk, you are addicted to a product you know is obtained unethically, and to head off any criticism you intuitively feel you deserve, you attack an assumed criticism before it's even been made. All junkies defend their nasty habit similarly, so your defensive is no surprise, but what you need to do now is prove you aren't a liar on top of everything else you've revealed about yourself, and provide some evidence to this claim that Zakhar has pronounced himself superior to you.
He hasn't, so why do you insist that he has?
Zakhar has always maintained that the rights of animals and other humans come second to his and his family's. I understand exactly what he means because he's made his position crystal clear several times, so where are you having difficulty in understanding what he writes yourself?
You have a mental sickness or addiction for the want of a product you know others may criticise, and this unfortunate position has made you suspicious and paranoid to the extent where you have developed a chip on your shoulder.
I can't prove that, but your intolerance for the basic human right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion does set you apart from most right minded people.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 11:55
The onus is on you to support your claim.
[The burden of proof is always on the person asserting something. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of Argumentum ad Ignorantiam, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.]
My statement suggests that very opposite, and if you were a little more observant you might've noticed it a lot earlier.
That's just plain rediculous. How can anyone guarantee the non-existence of a vegetarian holding, or not holding certain beliefs? You don't know what you're talking about.
Being that it isn't the case, it must draw an opposite conclusion to the one you earlier suggested, "but is still incorrect.", so the argument won't run in circles seeing as an agreeable conclusion is reached.
When you start showing some sign of not being a complete wanker, you might have some room to make a judgment, but until then I'd concentrate on sorting out the mess you've made of your argument.
You initially wrote, "No, they wouldn't (necessarily) be."
But then you wrote, "Yes, a vegan doing such would be."
You've changed your position half way through.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 12:49
It states no such thing, stupid. It states that Sasha is talking about vegetarians who hold a belief in animal right. That implicity means that there are vegetarians who don't hold such a belief, else I wouldn't have made the distinction, so I was right.
Then you were wrong to earlier state, "No, they wouldn't (necessarily) be." Let me know when you've made up your puny mind.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 13:00
What about you, self-crippled dole scrounger? You're dragging down your fellow man. The time is long past when you should have bid your goodbyes and gone off to sleep the big sleep.
Apparently, you don't mind people thinking that of you.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 16:51
Ah diddy widdy get annoyed with me, cos I criticised you God ~~jonnie-no-anne~~, ah. never mind, eh.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/07 21:21
I don't believe that existing automatically requires me to feel shamed, or that it shows a contempt for the rights of my fellow man.
I never did claim any dole, and I work for a living now that I can, and I've been asked to stay on even though the chap I replaced is returning.
I've got another 40+ years ahead of me yet.
Mercer et al has seen to that.
No, I don't mind at all. They can think what they like of me, and on average, it's all good stuff.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/08 01:44
I'm not a statastion, but I consider 5 448 a sample size would give statistically significant result of high confidence.
I've participated in a study. I expect you still believe that smoking is risk free.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/08 06:12
No. You are trying to use symbols that aren't recognised as mathematical symbols. Click on this link and learn something.
http://www.tcaep.co.uk/science/symbols/maths.htm
No, because in most cases vegans are vegetarians who hold a belief in animal rights, so I was right.
A vegan does not wear leather, so if that person you described was wearing Doc Marten boots he would find himself in a hopeless position and easily seen to be a hypocrite.
What the heck are you on about, you fool? Are you suggesting that all people who wear these boots kick dogs and hold the strange belief that animals exist merely to be eaten?
Ask someone who gives a fuck in the first place, x.
You're obviously very confused about these issues and can barely cobble together a coherent sentence to put your point. Try again, and slow down a bit.
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/08 07:14
I have only come across "equal consideration", not "equal to humans". Do you have references to that claim?
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re:Avoiding meat helps blood pressure - 2006/07/08 07:33
What part in " I'm not trying to extend my life." don't you understand, Jackie?
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