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Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/28 01:06
Kellogs / Worthington Foods / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian
I hope you guys are reading your ingredients lists when you stockup on your vegeburgers I got a kick in the *** when I made my weekly run to Giant Supermarket to stockup on some tofu and Vegeburgers.
I open the door to grab for the Vegan Burgers only to find they are not stocking them.
So, I start looking at all the vegeburgers There is a large selection but most have all the crap in them like blackbeans and Oatmeal and mushrooms with cheese. then I look EGGS ... WTH these things are suppose to be vegetarian
If they want to have 9 out of 10 products be non vegetarian that`s fine but when they contaminate a VEGAN burger with .0001 ml of egg white just so its not vegetarian any more that`s just screwedup.
Its like having a Kosher meat market and then having some freak roll around on the meat after the rabbi leaves and pour milk on it. Or its like Mc Donald`s using Lard in the French Fries when it cost less to cook them with Corn or Soy oil. Or its like those dam cans of pork and beans that have a 1/4" sliver of pork fat on the top that contaminates the whole can for vegetarians and also doesn`t give any pork for people that like pork & beans. Its like cooking a huge pot of lentil soup In India and throwing a All Beef Hotdog on the top.
Its basically INSANE.
TAKE THE DAM EGGS AND OTHER CRAP OUT OF ATLEAST 1 VERSION OF YOUR VEGETARIAN PRODUCTS there should be 1 Vegan Hotdog 1 Vegan Burger 1 Vegan Sausage link
I have been a vegetarian for about 15 years now. I do this for Religious and Personal reasons not because my heart doctor told me to cut back on red meat. Not because I am some Leather Seat SUV driven Yuppie fag that likes to tell all the people at the Green Peace meetings that they are vegetarian while they prance around in their Leather Sandals sipping white wine Spritzers.
Being Vegetarian is between me and GOD and I think its screwedup Manufacturers like ADM Kellogs and the rest are putting this crap in Super Markets because if they fill the shelves with this FAKE NON VEGETARIAN PRODUCTS there is no space for the real VEGAN / Vegetarian Products.
I DON`T WANT TO GO BACK TO BUYING AT HEALTH FOOD STORES
They Markup prices 400%
Make your Vegetarian products for Vegetarians Make your other products for the rest of the world
I could give a flying Turd what the rest of the world eats just don`t be putting MicroLiters of Animal Products in my Vegetarian Food.
Its my guess that you don`t have any Vegetarians on your Vegetarian Product Development staffs or this would never have happened. the Last Morning Star 100% Vegan burger was pulled from my local shelf on or about June 16 2002
Thats the last box I will buy and the last product from your company that I will buy as long as you keep contaminating Vegetarian products with Animal Products or dont at least give 1 alternative.
This aint about activism Its about product and consumer relations WAKE UP or just go make all meat burgers they taste better then Soy anyway. bob marencin
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/28 08:34
Hi, stop crying! For most vegetarians, i. e. for ovo-lacto vegetarians who are the majority, eggs as well as dairy products are no problem at all. It is perfectly o. k. if producers call such products vegetarian and you have no reason to complain. They did not call them vegan, did they?
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/28 16:26
Even beyond the vegetarian/vegan debate..... stop relying on major corporations to supply you with food you can easily make yourself at home and thus be guarenteed that it is vegan etc. Also, do you really want all the preservatives and other additives in your diet???
What is the point of supporting companies that make supposed vegetarian products when most of their market is in non-vegetarian products. All you are doing is choosing the lesser of the two evils........ Alicia
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/28 21:13
Yes when ADM started the Morningstar line It was a promotion to show that all Vegetable Vegeburgers are both good tasting and good for you. They (as the worlds largest farmers) were promoting the use of the Soy Bean for Food, Fule, Inks and other products as a freindly alternative to what was then being used. Not only did they reduce our need to cleanup toxic waste from printing and other Industrial applications they introduced a food product that helped many people avoid all of the problems europe was having with Mad Cow disease or the Chicken problems in South East Asia not to mention other common forms of disease related to eating meat products. If there ever is a serious world wide problem with our food supply that cant be handled, Soy products will be what keeps the world alive and that would mean 100% Vegan food products. In 50 or 100 or maybe 300 years Vegan Soy products will probably be the base food supply for the world considering the population at that time and the renewability of soy and its multi use from the same harvest.
The burgers were all 100% vegan then they expanded to about 15 products and then Kellogs bought Morningstar and Killed the Vegan Burgers, of which there were 4 at the time within the line. so yes they WERE 100% VEGAN no animal products right on the front of the package.
As of this month as far as I can tell Kellogs is not ans will not be shipping any 100% Vegan Burgers in the Morning Star Vegetarian line.
As for the eggs they are only used as binders in very small amounts and if they could make the product for 7 years without the tiny amount of egg included they could continue to make at least one of their 15 products in the morning star Vegetarian Line 100% Vegan.
Now eating cheese or milk may be considered Vegetarian and I have an occasional slice of pizza however eating an egg or eating fish or chicken I don`t think that`s Vegetarian I think that`s more someone not eating meat because they don`t want to.
I would even consider eating Milk products border line but there is no possible debate if or not the milk would become a animal if fertilized the same way an egg surely would.
I mean some people consider Bacon and packaged Cold Cut meat slices Dairy because its in the same area of the supper market as the milk and eggs.
You eat what you want, I eat what I want but for a manufacturer to place small ammounts of animal product in EVERY single selection in their Vegetarian Line of Products dosen`t make good sence either in public relations or in product development. bob marencin
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/28 23:33
People in the UK understand your inconvenience. Possibly the largest selling vegetarian sausage (Linda McCartney) was vegan, and then they changed the recipe, and it wasn`t.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/29 07:03
The sausages used to say `suitable for vegans` on them. With the new red packaging, this disappeared. I (and several others who posted at the time) phoned the company and were told that they were non-vegan.
From memory, they said that they switched their meat substitute because of the large number of people who preferred non-GM foods, and that their new meat substitute was not vegan.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/29 15:24
have forced them to abandon GM ingredients. It would also mean that any eggs used have to be free-range and satisfy fairly strict additional Veg Soc rules.
It`s a while since I lived in the UK and was interested in British vegetarian sausages but I used to find McCartney sausages almost inedible. Wicken Fen sausages were lots better, and I think some of their varieties were vegan.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/29 17:18
Linda McCartney products which are suitable for vegans
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/30 00:18
Thank you. I always thought the Linda McCartney brand carries vegan food. I do check the ingredients but a couple of the product like the bean burger, mince and sausage did appear vegan to me. And I live in Hong Kong, the Linda McCartney brand is the only thing you can find in bigger major supermarket. The rest is those Chinese vegetarian stuff that taste much worse and they do use egg and that`s consider okay by the Buddhist. I guess I just have to make my own meal from the very sketch without trusting any of the big company. So, any good recipe for sausage and bean burger? petula
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/30 09:20
The chinese meat substitutes use egg? The `blue cans` that I buy don`t mention eggs in the ingredients list, and the recipe book that I have for `mock meats` uses very simple receipes (though tricky processing), without any eggs to make the same thing.
I suspect that it`s not hard to make a good vegan sausage from tofu and rusk, with a few additional ingredients, because the tai-fun sausages in the UK have very good texture (and the smoked tofu weiners have good taste) with very simple ingredients. However, I have had continual failure trying to make them by hand.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/30 17:02
Hi. Do you mean the sausages or the blue cans of mock meat? If the blue cans, try chinatown. But, watch out, one can (can`t remember which) lists `oyster extractives` in the ingredients.
If the weiners, large waitroses often stock them. Brand is tai-fun. They are not cheap.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2005/05/31 00:13
Not all the Chinese Mock stuff use egg, but you do have to read the label and can`t assume anything, since I`ve seen quite an amount of mock meat has egg white in it. Any Chinese Vegetarian food is target for the Buddhist, and egg is permitted.
My problem with some of the mock meat stuff is that there`s always a listing called vegetarian flavoring/natural flavoring where the former one can actually mean chemical stuff the later can mean anything.
Or they always try to make stuff look and taste like the real stuff. I`ve taste some mock meat that remind me of Spam, which to me is quite disgusting. Or the frozen "lobster" shape and color like the cooked lobster with shell off. If I have to choose between a plain garden salad or a Spam tasting mock meat, I`d just rather have the salad. petula
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2007/05/28 18:24
R u sure McDonald use lard for french fries?
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2007/05/29 11:16
Sema hi and welcome to the forum 
I don't think they use lard - that's one of those urban legends that are going around. They did have a major law-suit on their hands tho selling french fries fried in vegetable oil with ADDED beef extracts in the U.S. - and they had to pay a lot of money to people who were disadvantaged because believing to have bought a vegetable product. Eventhough they lost kinda, the french fries in the U.S. are still being sold with the added beef extract mixed in their vegetable oil. This is only in the U.S. tho, outside of it no beef extract is added
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2008/03/21 15:07
first of all ovo-lacto aren't vegetarians... no person who makes the claim of vegan or vegetarian and eats any animal product is SO NOT a vegetarian/vegan.
so YOU get over it.
first of all.... morning star.... labels their items.. VEGAN... folks, learn to READ.
VEGAN. ok? pick up their items and read them... it says VEGAN.
then a little ways down it also says:
contains EGG, MILK and (DAIRY).
now.... so.... that's VEGAN eh?
heh, sure it is.
pats you on the head.. there there... now you go sit down.. you must be tired you poor dear.... (tapes a sign on their back.. "sweats when i eat") now have your domestic beer and your oprah show... everything will be ok.
 
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2008/03/21 22:22
hotdogsarevegan, I don't understand the connection 
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2008/03/21 23:12
of course you don't.
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Re:Kellogs / Morning Star are producing Non Vegetarian Products calling them Vegetarian - 2008/03/22 07:05
and you don't care to explain? 
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