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how do i know - 2005/05/07 13:22 My wife and I both became vegetarians recently and though we try to avoid any and all meats and their by-products I sometimes give myself the benefit of the doubt if I think a product is suitable for vegetarians but how do I know for sure?Are all products without a veggie symbol unsuitable or is it that some companys just dont bother to use the symbol?I would also like to know {questions,questions}if leather is a byproduct of the meat industry or if animals are killed specifically for their skin? Thanks for the help lewis



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/07 20:35 I`m vegan and as far as I know none of my stuff has a "veggie symbol". Maybe my occasional veggie dogs but I never really looked.



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/07 22:51 There is no vegetarian symbol in the US; however, you can look for items marked with the word PAREVE or PARVE (such items will also have a K or U in a circle or similar marking on them). Pareve is a kosher term for something containing neither meat nor dairy, and thus suitable to be eaten with one or the other.



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/08 07:58 oops... here`s a link for a list of ingredients and additives derived from animals.



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/08 11:42 Some companies don`t use the VSUK symbol because VSUK charge for its use as a way of raising money. Same goes for Vegan society symbol, although its a lot cheaper.
If a food manufacturer uses their own symbol or simply labels the product as suitable for vegetarian, you would have to ask for their definition of vegetarian, since there isn`t a legally agreed one. VSUK insists that any eggs used are free-range; supermarkets like Tesco & Sainsburys use the same definition as the VSUK (last time I checked) except that they don`t insist on free-range eggs. However, they can change their definition any time they like.
If the product isn`t marked suitable for vegetarians, the only way to find out is to contact the manufacturer.
Even where food is marked as suitable for vegetarians, mistakes can be made. I once bought some "vetetarian sausages" from a health food shop. The manufacturer specialised in vegetarian food. I later found out they`d made a mistake in their ingredients when I read an item in the VSUK magazine.
Large manufacturers cometimes conduct random tests on their supplies to make sure they are really vegetarian (according to their definition). As far as I know, the VSUK & the Vegan society don`t conduct their own tests.
I am dubious about any processed food unless it is from a specialist vegetarian food manufacturer. Most processed foods contain a warning that they may contain minute amounts of nuts. This is because, if a manchine has been used to produce a product containing nuts, when the machine is cleaned it won`t remove all trace of the nuts. Logically, the same must apply to any machine which has been used to manufacture something containing slaughterhouse products. ie any machine which has been used to manufacture something containing slaughterhouse products can`t be used to produce genuinely vegetarian products.



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/08 16:29 There are various types of symbols and they all have different meanings. Most manufacturers` own symbols will indicate that they are vegetarian but not all manufacturers or retailers will choose to use one. It`s down to label reading at that point. Manufacturers and retailers symbols won`t mean as much as The Vegetarian Society (UK`s) own symbol (a sort of curly V often with the words `approved by The Vegetarian Society` around it). This guarantees that the product is free of meat, fish, shellfish, crustacea and slaughter house by-products. It also guarantees that it is GM free and that any eggs used are free range to the Society`s standards. In addition this symbol also means that food separation (where appropriate) has taken place ie that lines are cleaned down etc. More information on the Society`s symbol can be found at www.vegsoc.org
Companies don`t have to use the Vegetarian Society`s symbol or indeed (in the UK) any symbol to say that products are vegetarian - it`s their choice. Similarly, it`s difficult to stop a manufacturer or retailer claiming that a product is vegetarian as there is no legal definition of vegetarianism. UK trading standards have various pieces of legislation under which they can act if they feel that product is claiming to be vegetarian but isn`t but there is no requirement for independent vetting to make sure that a vegetarian claim is true.
Leather is a by-product of the meat industry but a very profitable one. It is estimated that 10% of the value of an animal is its leather. The meat industry is careful to make money from every element of the animal. If the skin of an animal was not used it would make the slaughter of each animal less viable. By not wearing leather vegetarians have an opportunity to make a valuable contribution to reducing the viability of the meat industry. Many alternatives are available today. More information can be found on The Vegetarian Society`s website at www.vegsoc.org



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/09 00:38 For example we have a lot of Parve biscuits but heaps of them contain powedered egg!
Parve cannot contain ANY meat or dairy, but that does not make it always vegetarian (fish) and definitely not vegan (eggs and fish)



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Re:how do i know - 2005/05/09 09:22 Which is why labels should be read, period. Point taken. Thanks.



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