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New Vegan - 2006/09/30 17:45
I've switched to a vegan diet, and would love some input on some vegan websites with good recipes, or a recommendation for a good vegan cookbook.
I have a few vegetarian cookbooks, but so many recipes have eggs and dairy.
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re:New Vegan - 2006/09/30 20:45
You contribute to more suffering by eating most bread than by eating grass raised beef.
I felt that way for a while. Then I talked to some people who worked around them. The cattle love it. Once you get them started eating grain like that, they don't want to go back to grass. The feed lot is a great place for them during their final days.
· From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat. That would be 750 meals if each included 3/4 pound of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and draining of fields, one meal of soy or rice based product is likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of meals derived from grass raised cattle. Grass raised cattle products contribute to less wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and better lives for cattle than soy or rice products. ·
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re:New Vegan - 2006/09/30 23:15
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· Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of wood and paper products, and roads and all types of buildings, and by their own diet just as everyone else does.
What vegans try to avoid are products which provide life (and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have to avoid the following in order to be successful:
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 01:28
Even breathing and walking on the earth causes death to bugs and organisms. I am on a vegan diet for health reasons and also because I don't want to put rotting flesh in my body. I also don't want the fear that those animals feel before they die to go into my consciousness. I've seen how those animals are kept in the feed lots, and it's a horrible site and I in no way want to contribute to that.
Enjoy your steaks and I'll enjoy my veggies, rice, grain, fruits, etc.
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 05:16
Not at all, June. Your "truth" is not truth, but a perception -- and a flawed one at that. It has been shown to be a sham, a lie. Yet you cling doggedly to it. That is your right, but it is not a sign of enlightenment.
I haven't called you names. I have aptly described you and your modus operandi. I suppose the truth must hurt, but can it hurt you worse than your lies? Not all meat is the same: much of it is lean and healthy, providing nutrients you cannot get in a veg-n diet. And as I have repeatedly shown you, a veg-n diet doesn't mean "cruelty-free." The farming that produces your food kills many animals. The *only* difference between your diet and one that includes meat is the meat: both produce animal casualties.
Same to you. Someday you'll again have to confront reality. Will you keep turning away and hiding from it, or will you ever face up to it?
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 05:33
You cannot BUY rotting flesh. The government enforces a modicum of standards which should prevent that. If it smells or tastes rotten, take it back to the store or restaurant.
LOL! Those animals rarely know what hit them. Anyway, the only thing that affects your "consciousness" is your own will. If you're strong-willed, you've nothing to worry about. If you have a weak conscience, then even the slightest self-induced guilt trip will cause you turmoil. Apparently this is true for you.
Some are, some aren't. You like to paint with a broad brush because you don't want to see reality. That's especially true with people with simple minds when it comes to complex issues. Why burden yourself seeking out the "good" ranchers -- those who take excellent care of their livestock, even raising them entirely on grass, without use of drugs or hormones, etc. -- when you can call them all "bad"?
You may not want to eat meat, but you still contribute to many animal deaths. You wear cotton, the most toxic crop on planet Earth, and possibly synthetics. Both contribute to pollution and death for animals and humans. You consume rice, which is also one of the most lethal and toxic crops on the face of the planet as far as animals are concerned; rice is also responsible for methane, which is a so-called greenhouse gas. Your monocultured vegetables not only are responsible for erosion of topsoil, but for clear-cut harvesting which leaves animals that survive the sickle vulnerable to predation.
Enjoy the fact that your diet contributes as much (if not more) pain and suffering to animals than any other diet.
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 08:34
Sorry, but two statements are people stating their truth. Any third starts an argument because it is an attempt to negate the other person's truth and get into power games. It's easy to call names, belittle and insult another -- too easy; and I'm not interested in trading that kind of energy with you.
I'm done with this thread. Have a nice life!
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 11:55
There are not two truths, but one.
Truth: the state of being the case: FACT; the body of real things, events, and facts: ACTUALITY, often capitalized; transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality; a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true ; the body of true statements and propositions; the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality.
We're not discussing (perceptions*, but reality. You paint with a very broad brush and detest it when your views are shown to be wrong, phony, misleading, and shallow. You're not the first person to shoot the messenger, nor are you the first to keep shooting when shown your errors.
Who's arguing? I've used facts and reason to clear up where you're wrong and misleading. You keep spewing vitriol rather than accepting truth.
Yes, exactly. It *is* food, yet you call it names like "rotting flesh" and you assign all kinds of peril to it despite all the evidence that it can be healthful to humans and raised humanely. You choose denial and deceit (the old broad brush is a tool of deception, not of truth) rather than embracing the positive aspects and options available to those who like to eat meat. Is that in accord with your spiritual goals, or are you yet another WASPy charlatan giving lip service to a religion you think you understand as you drive around town in your Volvo stationwagon listening to Yanni?
Perhaps you'd be more tolerant of others and their choices if you could take your gaze off your own navel for a while. The world doesn't revolve around you or your peculiar beliefs about food.
Your "spirit" is severely malnourished, and it would be even if you ate meat. Your problems are much deeper than that.
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 12:27
How do you contribute to the lives of the possum and raccoons you eat
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 13:25
No, there is another *huge!* difference. Meat consumers contribute to the lives of the animals they consume--some are great, some are horrible, some are okay...--but they do contribute to billions of them. Vegans don't.
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re:New Vegan - 2006/10/01 21:17
I stated my truth you stated yours. I am not interested in argument. It's a food that I don't choose to feed my spirit.
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