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I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/25 03:46
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/25 06:48
I didn't mean to suggest that I'm imposing my beliefs on her. I apologize if that's the way it sounded.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/25 15:42
Ok, I'm sorry for taking it that way.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/25 18:11
Yeah you're right, other factors play a big part too, but I think that nearly all cultures include foods that cover all the nutritional bases, so when you're craving, for example, potatoes, it may be because you need something in it, whereas, if you were growing up in Africa, you might be craving cassava instead.
Well chocolate isn't bad for people if they don't eat too much of it.  If it wasn't fattening and full of sugar I'd eat it every day. *L* But I know that's not really healthy.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/25 22:13
Thanks people. I do really have just a small iron ser. defficiency 59 ug% and the range is 60-160. As well I am a diabetic and vegan just at home, vegetarian at people's dinners.
I will try to eat more lentilles and other stuff you recommended.
All other analysis are normal, I have checked them as well.
I would never go back on animals meat eating and am looking forward for complete vegan lifestyle.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/26 07:45
A nice, fat ribeye--three times weekly to start--should put your corpuscles back in line.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/26 14:17
Eat a source of iron ( legumes, soy, many vegtables ),eat a fruit at dessert. Vitamin C helps absorb iron. Avoid dairy products....they have no iron and crowd out things that do. Use blackstrap molasses.....very rich in iron and calcium
Polish up your nutrition by reading
Becoming Vegan
Brenda Davis, R.D. & Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.
Published 2000. ISBN 1-57067-103-6
The most current vegetarian nutrition in a book I have come across yet. It covers several issues that other vegetarian nutrition books don't such as the various issues surronding essential fatty acids.
This book is very thorough on nutritional issues that other publications don't cover well enough or at all.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/26 14:50
What might be healthy for one person might not for another.
For example, when my grandmother was sick and she was losing weight even though she was drinking ensure and eating toast, the nurses told us to give her ice cream mixed in with the ensure to add in extra calories. That did the trick and she went back to her normal weight.
Now we know that ice cream generally isn't considered health food, but in that case it was healthy and it helped her to recover.
In general people should avoid consuming too much red meat and probably not eat too much meat anyway. However, for someone with an iron deficiency and who knows what else, a big juicy steak might be what helps them, even if it's generally considered to be an unhealthy choice.
Someone who is allergic to peanut butter and who avoids it for health reasons, may recommend peanut butter to someone else if they need a little extra protein, for example.
Yeah. I'd like to eat less meat than I do right now. That's why I'm looking into a lot more vegetarian type recipes.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/26 17:53
<snip> <snip>
Excellent idea!
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/26 21:27
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I wish there was a health food shop that carried things like that in my neighborhood. Kroger has a health foods section but they don't get much more exotic than soy milk, tofu, sea salt, and sugar substitutes, along with energy bars and things like that. I mean they have some soy cheese but it has casein so that doesn't help vegans too much were they to try to shop there.
I'd like to be able to go in and buy the stuff I've heard about in this group but at the moment it looks like ordering things online would be my only option as far as that goes.
The only health store I've been able to find sells a bunch of quack
"homeopathic" crap and "coral calcium" crap and hardly anything that's actually useful. I think the only food product they even carry is Stevia.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/27 06:33
There's no need to risk the life of another animal. Nothing in an omnivorous diet exists that cannot be found in a vegan one. Obviously, I do not know her entire set of circumstances, but I know that I would
*never* kill (either directly or by association) an animal to benefit my own health. I would forever seek--to the death--alternatives. But that is the strength of my ethical conviction. Your mileage may vary 
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/27 13:51
That's ok. I don't have anything against the vegans or vegan diets. I actually admire the resolve of vegans for being able to make delicious meals without using animal products, and for being able to stick to it for so long, in cultures that are full of meat eaters. I just think if someone wants to do this, for any reason, they should go into it with the knowledge they need to stay safe and healthy.
Yeah, I've been cutting down on meat myself to help keep my cholesterol/blood pressure down, but I still eat some. I'm sure my diet could improve a lot from what it is now by eating a bigger variety of vegetables, etc.
Yes, everyone has the chance of getting deficiencies, but when you go on a diet such as a vegan diet that cuts out whole classes of foods then it raises the risk considerably. That's why I think if someone is going to go on a special diet that they should research, research, research, and then when they go on it, they should never stop researching.
That could help anyone, no matter what diet they currently follow.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/27 15:19
You're right. I was concerned because if they didn't already know how to get what they needed from vegan sources then they shouldn't have gone on a vegan diet to begin with. I thought they might be on the edge of other deficiencies if they didn't do their research to begin with, so yes, I was trying to nudge them away from a vegan diet (at least until they were ready to do it properly).
I'm sorry if that's a bad thing here. I care more for people than I do for other animals.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/27 17:07
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Not really. They were on a vegan diet and had an iron deficiency. This tells me that either their body is not suited to it, or more likely, they didn't do the research necessary to be healthy and nourished on a vegan diet.
Therefore they may be on the verge of other deficiencies, just only noticing the symptoms of iron deficiency.
Sure, I'll discuss it as long as you think we need to. I'm not against him being on a vegan diet if his convictions lead him to do so. I do think that he should wait until he's done the proper research before attempting it.
Obviously he didn't research enough and waited until he had an iron deficiency (and God knows what else) before he came to this group for help.
He could spend all his efforts trying to fight an iron deficiency and then come down with another sickness in the mean time.
In my opinion, the safest course is for him to go back to eating at least a small amount of meat, milk, and eggs, until he can do the proper research, just so he doesn't damage himself in the mean time. THEN, if he feels that his morals or other things are compelling him to become a vegan, he'll be going into it the RIGHT way. I'm not asking him to go buy a leather couch and a fur coat!
One of the reasons he may have chosen to eat a vegan diet could've been for health. If the diet was poorly researched and is contrary to meeting his health needs, then he should stop it until he can find out what he needs to do this the right way.
None taken. I was afraid I would offend people but I don't have anything against the vegans in here and I hope they can understand my concerns and reasoning.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/27 18:47
That's totally your choice of course, and you have the right to make it.
What I question is the idea of asking someone else to make the same sacrifice of their own health to satisfy your ethical goals.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/28 00:52
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I had to go look them up to find out what clementines were, but I see they're mandarin oranges. A lot of people here like to eat citrus fruits and nuts this time of year.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/28 03:03
That conclusion is a bit of a leap.
I think it is fairly common sense that if you post a message in alt.food.VEGAN telling someone to stop being vegan that other people will have something to say about your response.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/28 05:28
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That's exactly why this person's case is raising concern. Personally I think a person's health should come as a higher priority than the life of another animal.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/28 14:18
Well I don't think they're poison but I do think that if someone eats too many foods loaded with cholesterol it can't be good for them.
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re:I have a small iron defficiency- which food should I eat? - 2006/11/28 17:50
Oysters. They're not sentient as far as we can tell.
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