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Liar Jon's premise is both true and false, or was it - 2007/03/17 10:44 No. They don't always occur, so they can hardly be called a fact in crop production.
Non causa pro causa

1.. Type-Level: A causal law has the form:

Events of type C cause events of type E.
Here, we are not talking about a causal relation holding between two particular events, but the general causal relation holding between instances of two types of event. For example, when we say that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer, we are not talking about an individual act of smoking causing a particular case of lung cancer.
Rather, we mean that smoking is a type of event which causes another type of event, namely, cancer.

Mistakes about type-level causation are the result of confusing correlation with causation.
Two types of event may occur simultaneously, or one type always following the other type, without there being a causal relation between them. One common source of non-causal correlations between two event-types is when both are effects of a third type of event.
http://gncurtis.home.texas.net/index.html
"effeminate", you ignorant dolt. It's indomitable,
Jon, just totally indomitable.

I don't see any causal link between my trade with him and the method he uses to satisfy my demand.
It doesn't instruct him to farm one way or the other.
Those options are his, and he, being completely autonomous is responsible for his actions. I blame him on the basis that he is a morally responsible agent carrying obligations to endure the consequences of his actions.
Your claim that a person is responsible for another's bad actions is mere opinion on your part. You're welcome to your own opinion, but it is an established fact.
[Unsnipping my valid response]
Non causa pro causa

1.. Type-Level: A causal law has the form:

Events of type C cause events of type E.
Here, we are not talking about a causal relation holding between two particular events, but the general causal relation holding between instances of two types of event. For example, when we say that smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer, we are not talking about an individual act of smoking causing a particular case of lung cancer.
Rather, we mean that smoking is a type of event which causes another type of event, namely, cancer.

Mistakes about type-level causation are the result of confusing correlation with causation.
Two types of event may occur simultaneously, or one type always following the other type, without there being a causal relation between them. One common source of non-causal correlations between two event-types is when both are effects of a third type of event.
http://gncurtis.home.texas.net/index.html
I don't believe in taking the blame for another's wrongdoing, so I do say it in all honesty and with a clear conscience. This FACT clearly irritates you for some reason, but that's your weakness and you'll just have to get over it.
I say it to myself every hour, and if someone's in the room with me I say it to them every half hour.
Did you know I'm an ethical vegan who lives a death-free life, Jon?
You've snipped the rest of it out which proves you stated a premise can be both true and false, so here it is again.
[start me] [Jonathan Ball]
Of course it can be both, nitwit.
[end]
Date: 2003-06-22

But you're wrong.
A proposition that is offered in support of the truth of another proposition (the conclusion) in an argument.
The meaning of a sentence that makes a claim, that is, a sentence that can either be true or false.
http://www.nwmissouri.edu/~rfield/gloss.HTML

A proposition is a form of words in which the predicate is affirmed or denied of the subject of a declarative sentence.
A proposition is the meaning of a declarative sentence.
Declarative sentences are either true or false.



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re:Liar Jon's premise is both true and false, or was it - 2007/03/17 11:52 So you lied: there *is* at least one fact surrounding collateral deaths. There actually are several, including the most important: your demand for cheap, convenient produce is causal to them.

They don't kill them "for" at all. They simply kill them without thinking about it. The deaths occur in the course of producing food for you, so you share the moral responsibility for it. This is established beyond dispute.

Not honestly, you don't. Only sleazily and dishonestly and with malice in your foul heart.

You don't. You implicitly agree with it, as your statement indubitably demonstrates.

Right there, fuckwit. That's where you agree with the truth of the premise.

Which is a false statement. A premise can be true in one context, and false in another.

Nope. "vegans" claim to be living a "death free" lifestyle.
That's a far stronger claim than mere reduction of death and suffering. It's also demonstrably a false claim.

We won't discuss this any further, either. Both the causation and moral responsibilty of "vegans" is beyond dispute. You cause the deaths, and you are responsible for them. Let's proceed.

Not truthfully, not honestly. You are not really disputing it, only pretending. We'll move on now.

Oh, I see you didn't really have anything to say. I guess we didn't move on very far, did we?



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